This came across the TPS list earlier today
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The California state Supreme Court has issued a decision that it is against their constitution to deny marriage rights to same-sex couples! Couples represented by law groups, including the ACLU, had their rights recognized by a strong and well-reasoned decision which stated that sexual orientation was not a legitimate reason to treat people differently and that tradition alone was not justification enough to deny marriage rights, especially as granting same-sex couples marriage rights takes nothing away from the rights of heterosexual couples. While this does not change the discrimination written into our Wisconsin state Constitution, the California decision does signify an important victory.
To read more about the importance of this case and the ACLU’s role in working to promote equality and eliminate discrimination, please visit http://www.aclu.org/lgbt/relationships/californiamarriage.html. Below is a blog entry from the national ACLU’s Director of the LGBT Project.
Get Busy, Get Equal!
- Stacy Harbaugh, ACLU of Wisconsin Community Advocate
We won the marriage case in California. No need for hyperbole here; this is big.
Simply having the California Supreme Court say that constitutional principles demand that marriage be open to same-sex couples is an enormous win. This Court has a remarkable history of leadership on civil rights and civil liberties. It made landmark decisions on race and sex discrimination, on freedom of speech and privacy, and on treatment of the disabled and poor people long before the U.S. Supreme Court. No court in America has more authority to say that marriage for same-sex couples is an issue of basic freedom than this one.
And as the New York Times recently pointed out, the California Supreme Court is the most influential state high court in America. If you'd like to read it, here's the decision. The case was brought by the ACLU, the National Center for Lesbian Rights, Lambda Legal and the City of San Francisco. The decision is 4 to 3.
Marriage in California will transform the discussion of marriage nationwide. California has one of the largest economies in the world. Given the state’s economic clout, the fact that California is marrying same-sex couples will put considerable pressure on the rest of the country to recognize those marriages.
Even more important, the rest of the country recognizes that California is America’s cultural trendsetter, that cultural change in California is usually a preview of what is to come in the rest of the United States. Most Americans already believe that marriage for same-sex couples is bound to happen sooner or later. I think marriage in California will help persuade many of them that this is an issue of basic fairness, and that the time for it is now.
This was a prize of inestimable value.
Now, of course, we have to hold on to it. It appears fairly certain that anti-gay forces have gotten enough signatures to put on the November ballot an initiative that would amend the state Constitution and overrule the decision.
That initiative is scary. We lost a different vote on marriage only eight years ago. And our opponents, recognizing that marriage in California is a great prize, will fight with all their might. They’ll put everything they have into this. Which means that to win, we’ll have to raise a great deal of money and run a very smart campaign.
While we can’t discount how difficult and nerve-wracking it will be to fight the initiative, we can win. If ever a state was well prepared for a vote on marriage, it is California. LGBT rights work has been going on there since the 50s, and we’ve been establishing rights for same-sex couples since the 80s.
And we can’t forget how much greater the prize will be if we win. If we win the initiative, marriage in California will have a popular stamp of approval. No more will our opponents be able to call marriage the child of “activist judges” or out-of-control local officials. The court has given us the chance to win marriage for ourselves, and push the fight for full equality ahead by years. We’ve got to rise to meet that challenge.
But let’s not dwell on that today. For today, let’s just revel in one of the greatest wins in our history.
How sweet it is.
-- Matt
back in oregon...
...we used to think cali-folk were crazy, but i kinda like 'em crazy. *heh heh* mad[town] props to my westcoast peeps!
California perspective
I originally responded to this ACLU press release on the Ten Percent Society listserv when it came across. Interestingly enough, rather than allow rational debate on the topic, the TPS moderator chose to unsubscribe me from the listserv. Since then, Patrick asked me to post it here.
For the record, I’m a Wisconsin native and former Madisonian who moved to California four years ago. I now live in Palm Springs (40-50% gay by population), but have also lived elsewhere in the "red areas" of CA, which are much like the central part of WI in terms of tolerance.
Anyone interested in reading more about this issue, can check the wikipedia entry. I wouldn't usually recommend wikipedia since it's not always reliable, but this entry is accurate and gives a good mini-history of the issue here in CA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_partnership_in_California#Assembly...
If, as the ACLU press release suggests, “the rest of the country recognizes that California is America’s cultural trendsetter, that cultural change in California is usually a preview of what is to come in the rest of the United States,” then the rest of the country would have already adopted similar comprehensive domestic partnerships following CA’s move in 2003. Clearly, this has not happened.
Finally, anyone interested in this debate on the larger, national scale, should read Michael Warner’s impressive book, The Trouble With Normal, which is aimed toward an educated, mainstream LGBT audience.
Original response to the press announcement:
This might seem like a big deal to people outside of the state, but California already has extremely advanced domestic partnerships that allow divorce, child adoption, and all other rights equivalent to opposite-sex marriage. This is largely a semantic victory for assimilationists who "must have" the word "marriage" so that they can feel recognized as "normal" and mainstream.
This decision is all well and good, but it changes the daily lives of those of living us in California very little (does not add any rights beyond changing the name from "domestic partnership" to "marriage") and is already causing a political backlash. Conservatives will attempt to pass an amendment to the state constitution banning same-sex marriage in fall, something that has a strong chance of passing based on previous elections on similar issues. In the long term, this sort of amendment could be used as grounds to repeal the rights granted through domestic partnerships already in place.
Celebrate if you must, but I personally won't be celebrating until the long-term effects of the decision become clear.
Why "marriage" matters - a response to dyrid
Wow! Assimilationists? Need to feel normal? Mainstream? That kind of queer theory retort is SOOOOO 1990s. It makes me feel young again :-)
The basic principle of the fight over (need for) the word "marriage" is this: HAVING EQUAL RIGHTS MEANS HAVING EQUAL CHOICE. In more detail:
1) Separate but equal never is - separation creates stigma. People can choose to stigmatize me all they want, but godammit my government may NOT stigmatize me under color of law.
2) NO ONE is going to rewrite let alone pass all the laws that say "marriage" (especially the 1000+ federal statutes). It's a matter of practicality.
3) Until a state calls you "married", you can't go to the federal government and sue for your rights as a "married" person (and again, they're simply NOT going to rewrite all those laws). The word "married" is strategic leverage to bring down the federal DOMA law (which, given then youth of the conservatives on the Supreme Court, may take a LOOOONG time).
4) A state can give you all the equal rights it wants to under its control, but the state actually controls very little - public sector pensions, enforcing family memberships at local country clubs, but not much else. State rights do not include health insurance access (for which any state law is preempted by the federal statutes of ERISA), nor survivor social security benefits, nor federal tax benefits, ... there's a lot of money on the table here. And when a state or local company DOES grant you domestic partner benefits, Uncle Sam taxes you for it.
5) Don't assume that we want to "assimilate" into the institution. Maybe we want to "coopt" it and give it a more diverse, queerer face - it sure as hell needs one :-) People who are strong enough to be out and queer and demand marriage equality are principled enough to remember who they really are.
SO, once the California ruling takes effect (in 29 days?), people with serious needs from these kinds of protections, especially the queer POOR who aren't privileged enough to fling insults from ivory towers, will start to have their lives changed very much indeed.
As for me, living in Wisconsin, as a partnered queer man with a disability (we call it "Wississippi"), I can put a price tag on what the lack of such a law costs me, apart from the legal stigma. It's five figures a year (seven, if you include the cents). The average heterosexual family man suddenly thrown into my position could scarcely afford it without at least selling off a child or two [j/k] :-)
And while you and I would probably agree that the BEST thing to do is to give EVERYONE a wide range of ways to implement their relationships - marriage, civil union, domestic partnership, even individually custom contracts - we must remember this: EQUAL RIGHTS MEANS HAVING EQUAL CHOICE.
Thanks,
Charlie
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Charlie Squires
RE Charlie's points
(Charlie and I have traded a few emails to clarify positions, etc., so this is really just for anyone else following this thread. I've tried to incorporate our different perspectives in brackets, but I may not always capture the spirit of his comments.)
1) Ultimately, the rights that you mention already existed in CA, before the decision. Separate may not always be equal, but the state rights themselves are already equal here and have been since passed in 2003 (they went into effect in 2005).
By the same token, legislating gay marriage will not remove the social stigmatization. This is a utopian vision. Whether we have domestic partnership or gay marriage, people who discriminate and stigmatize will continue to do so. [Charlie noted a useful distinction between legal and social stigmatization.] I'd argue that there is often a conflation between these issues: people assume that legalizing gay marriage (removing the legal stigma) will automatically result in a removal of social stigma, but this doesn't seem to happen in the short term (see Massachusetts for example).
2) CA has already done this to the extent that is possible at the state level between the years of 1999-2003 by continually expanding the definition of domestic partner. As you note, this doesn't effect the federal level, but see #3.
3) Massachusetts legalized "gay marriage" some time ago, and it has not yet enabled people to successfully sue at the federal level as people suggest gay marriage should. This could change in the future, but for now, it hasn't materialized.
4) Seems already addressed above.
5) When I look at the rhetoric employed in single-issue activism that ultimately effects a small percentage of queers (let's face it, you might be partnered, but most queers aren't), I do not see co-opting. I see a blatant desire for normalization. It's all over the HRC website. And it's a waste of resources in the CA case since this decision hasn't added any tangible rights. It's a symbolic victory that very well may result in a loss of current rights in the future because of returning the issue to the voters who overwhelmingly support equal rights under the name domestic partnership and overwhelmingly reject those same rights under the name same-sex marriage.
LGBT people in most states in this country (35+) still do not have basic protection from legal discrimination in housing, employment, etc. And most states that do have these protections do not extend them to the trans community.[Charlie noted that there are many trans protections in effect, but that whether these are incorporated into laws banning orientation-based discrimination depends on how old those laws are. Good point.] Working toward this type of broad, coalitional issue, something that affects everyone at once, instead supporting single causes that really affect a select group of (usually) middle-class, white queers seems like a better use of nationwide resources.
Again, Wisconsin is a different case because DP benefits there are nowhere near as extensive as here and usually depend on the city. The big changes that you seem to think will happen for underprivileged populations in California are a myth. They have had these rights since 2005 if they filed for DP registration.
When I say that rights are equal, I'm only talking about state rights because that's what the fuss is about. People elsewhere assume that CA residents' state rights are now much better, but these will remain the same because any rights not already granted can only be granted at the federal level [a good point mentioned by Charlie].
Massachusetts was the big win in my book because it was the first and opened the doors to challenging the federal issues. I suppose one could argue that having two states legalize gay marriage is better than one, but I'm guessing that it will take a lot more than two states to create the critical mass needed to effect federal changes.
The ACLU's press release makes a big deal over this change being in California, as though the rest of the country somehow follows CA's trends like one big lemming, and this really isn't true. If it were, then instead of banning gay marriages across the country since 2003, other states would have installed comprehensive DP benefits like CA did. If this had happened in any other state (not MA, VT, NJ, or CA), I, too, would be elated. But I'm not sure what the CA case really adds that the MA case didn't already have, except that a second state did it. Why spend such resources in a state where there is already an enormous amount of equity?
Really, no, I don't agree.
Just to be clear, I really disagree that the folks in CA already had the rights that marriage affords. I just, frankly, stopped arguing. The differences are substantive as well as symbolic.
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Charlie Squires
University of Wisconsin Law School, 2009 JD Candidate